2023-11-30 Meeting Notes

 Date

Nov 30, 2023

 Participants

  • @Thomas, Jyothish (STFC,RAL,SC)

  • @Thomas Byrne

  • @Alexander Rogovskiy

  • @James Walder

  • @Katy Ellis

  • @Thomas Birkett

  • Lancs: @Matt Doidge, Gerard, Steven

  • Glasgow: Sam

Apologies:

 

 

 Goals

  • List of Epics

  • New tickets

  • Consider new functionality / items

  • Detailed discussion of important topics

  • Site report activity

 

 Discussion topics

Current status of Echo Gateways / WNs testing

Recent sandbox’s for review / deployments:

 

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Near and mid-term planning

 

Time to build up the aims for the next 3, 6, 12 months

  • Discussion on XRootD re-architecture and development of plans

  • XRootD 6.X (and building for XrdCeph)

  • XrdCeph developments ?

  • Development tasks :

    • Per-file transfer speed

    • Deletions timings

    • Checksum speed

    • load balancing and gateway failover-ing

    • Containerisation and orchestration

 

bugfix for calculating striper objects in direct reads

 

bugfix for calculating striper objects in direct reads by Jo-stfc · Pull Request #50 · stfc/xrootd-ceph

 

 

 

Gateway: observations and changes

@Thomas, Jyothish (STFC,RAL,SC)

Change the CMSD configuration to increase the frequency of load reporting / calculation

 

 

Improving the load balancing

@Thomas Byrne @Thomas, Jyothish (STFC,RAL,SC)

Config changes (on all gw servers and managers):

Decrease ping and usage reporting intervals: cms.ping 10 log 1 usage 2
Increasing space placement calculation rates: cms.space recalc 30 min 1g

Also fix the xrdload script to report the 5min load-avg cf. (15 min)

 

 

 

Shoveller: Moving from testing and dev. to production and operational support

@Katy Ellis

VM (may exist) for the Collector.

requires a (monitor) config update on the XRootD servers to monitor (to point at the Collector).

Also could be used by RALPP ?

@Katy Ellis To confirm that AAA with shoveller can also send monitoring to Tom’s ftstream monitoring…

Documentation:
- https://twiki.cern.ch/twiki/bin/view/LCG/MonitoringTaskForce#Shoveler
- @Katy Ellis to capture the documentation and configuration, to work with @Thomas, Jyothish (STFC,RAL,SC)

 

XrootD gateway architecture review (What should the XrootD access to Echo look like in a year’s time)

 

https://stfc.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/GRIDPP/pages/255262851

Ideas on xrootd batch farm architecture

Current State
ECHO aliases

Key questions:
Should we segregate s3 and WN traffic from FTS?
having each service have its own redirector endpoint is good to maintain high availability and redundancy. additional hardware capacity can then be more easily added to each service if needed.
Shared servers: cmsd allows multiple clusters (redirector managers) to include the same server (gw in our case)
Multiple clusters? with or w/o shared servers? (no shared servers if possible)
Having multiple clusters is good (each service should have its own redirector managers for HA), shared servers will not be needed on a containerised setup, ease of management is preferred over slight resource optimization (with shared servers, underutilised servers could get traffic from other services which are under higher load to make more use of existing capacity)

What to aim for:

  • every service instance needs to be as resilient as possible.
    each DNS endpoint should have keepalived for redundancy and redirectors for high availability

  • manageability
    adding/removing gateways from a service should be simple and the overall setup should not be too complex to understand or manage

  • aim for simpler config
    keep the config understandable

  • flexibility on gw/use case to meet burst demand
    we should be able to add gws quickly to service endpoints as smoothly as possible to facilitate burst demands (e.g. alice) and to deploy additional capacity quickly

Containerizing everything (shared containers across all hardware) is the preferred desired end state.
This has the prerequisite of every service being behind an expandable high availability setup (xrootd cmsd managers)
[and an orchestrated setup to spin up more gws for load increase]

some system resource overhead should be reserved to keep the gateways running smoothly

 

WN gateways:
this should be kept going forwards as they mean we have an additional gateway’s worth of capacity for every workernode.
They currently only redirect traffic for reads over root (job operations using the xrootd.echo endpoint).
This is because of Xcache, which is read only.
Xcache is good at what it does and reduces the number of iops hitting ceph from reads. During the vector read deployment they were removed and resulted in enough IOps to slow down the echo storage cluster enough to fail

  • xcache can be removed if xrdceph buffers provide similar functionality (allows R/W over local gw)
    xrdeph buffers do not work on out of order reads or separate read requests (like the case with alice gateways)

  • some sort of xrootd manager tree setup might work for WN gw containers
    this could be similar to CMS AAA, with a hierarchy for access, but the first point of contact should be highly available

  • a single gw failing on a workernode should not cause all its jobs to fail. currently there is no failover built in for WN reads, so if the gateway is down all jobs on that WN will fail

  • a functional test equivalent healthcheck for WN gw will ensure the gateway is killed and restarted, and makes condor know if the gateway is still down. This would stop new jobs being sent to a WN with a broken gw but the jobs currently on it will still run.

  • The solution should strongly prefer a WN’s own gw. Ideally there should be some fallback mechanism where the transfer attempts to use its own gateway first and fails over to its neighbour WNs' gateway if unavailable.

  • cmsd is not smart enough to deal with r only and r/w servers as part of its cluster (this was attempted by Sam at Glasgow during early 5.x)

  • strong preference for having the same endpoint for reads and writes (removing xcache). This makes the configuration simpler and allows it to be managed by a cmsd redirector without issues.

 

  • A: evaluate whether xcache can be removed with xrdceph buffers enabled (measure IOps on single WN)

  • A: design a better solution for the gws on the WNs

  • A: create redirector managers for alice and s3

  • A: develop cmsd redirector capability to redirect onto own gateway preferably and have xcaches be included in the redirector in a mixed gw setup

 

XRootD Release and deployment schedule

 

5.6.3-1 is out

 

 

Checksums fixes

 

On hold again, pending load balancer work; i.e. if we can improve the load balancing, do we improve the latency associated to checksums?

 

Prefetch studies and WN changes

@Alexander Rogovskiy

New tests with xrootd.async segsize 8m timeout 300 and pfc.prefetch 0. With timeout increase “prefetch off” configuration looks better than the current one.

 

Deletion studies through RDR

@Ian Johnson

Requirements from ATLAS VO (Alessandra): 11266 deletions/h of 3GiB files. We are mean seeing deletion times for 3GiB files of 0.5 - 4 seconds, however there are some large outliers. (Taken from 10 deletions of 3GiB batches, 500 files in each batch).

Current deletion times to delete a batch of 500 3GiB files average around 30s (with some large outliers, however). Extrapolating from the average would suggest a bulk deletion rate of 60,000 files per hour is achievable within RAL, using the CERN deletion timing program. It would be instructive to find test whether the deletion mechanism that ATLAS will use during DC24 (FTS?) is able to achieve acceptable deletion rates.

An example of the variation in range of deletion times (plots from 07:30 this morning and 11:40):

 

 

Tokens testing

@Thomas, Jyothish (STFC,RAL,SC)

 

 

SKA Gateway box

@James Walder

https://stfc.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/UK/pages/215941180

Deneb-dev routing still needed (on the Switch / router side).

Some tests with Ceph-dev and changing of the rados-striper

Difference between upload and download may be due to uploads from local disk, downloads to /dev/null. (to repeat with tmpfs).

 

WN Xcache issue

 

futex lock hard locking xcache proxy on WNs (possibly occurrence of Deadlock in XCache's XrdCl instance · Issue #1979 · xrootd/xrootd )

 

 

on GGUS:

Site reports

Lancaster - Generally plagued by xrootd being unreliable under stress, throwing more gateways at it.

Glasgow -

 

 

 

 Action items

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 Decisions